Limbo, or do dead babies go to hell?

Recently, the Vatican's International Theological Commission allegedly released a document indicating that Limbo, the place where unbaptised babies go after death, may be restrictive, and that there are good reasons to hope that they might be in heaven.  (Also see the Pontifications blog.)

This has caused some consternation in some corners of the Church.  But then so did the concept that God could understand languages other than Latin.  Some cling to the idea that Limbo is a formal part of the Tradition of the Church, when really it isn't, as can be seen by looking at the hopes and prayers of the saints throughout the centuries.  It certainly has never been defined as such, and I've only seen claims regarding texts explained better elsewhere.

So I took a look at some of what HH Pope Benedict XVI said prior to his becoming pope.

This is a very wise man.  I've always been impressed by him, and this leads me to believe that he thinks at a level far above most.  He's orthodox, very much so, in his theology, and he's not going to go around approving documents that are not orthodox in their teachings.

Some say that he's ignoring tradition - no he's not.  He has it very well understood.  He knows what the history of limbo is, and knows where it can and can't go.  Think again.

Some say he's fallen prey to the "hell doesn't exist and because God loves all people, all people will be saved" mentality.  Some say that he's fallen prey to the modern lovey cuddley idea that punishment is bad and cute babies can't be punished.  In reality, he's far too smart and far too orthodox for that.  Think again.

Some say that the idea that the unbaptised can go to heaven detracts from the importance of the teaching that salvation comes through Christ alone.  In reality, that is far from the truth.

HH Benedict XVI has shown that he can, without betraying the historical truths contained in the Apolostic faith taught by the Catholic Church, preach God's love and mercy by raising our understanding of those truths beyond the rigid interpretations required by a need for defensiveness and protectiveness, as is often the case in apologetics, canon law, and other branches of theology.

I'm hoping for more incredible insights from one of the most brilliant minds God has given to lead the Church.  Hopefully more will be said, from him directly, on this issue. God is not the abortionist of the soul.
Some worthwhile reading:
Limbo In Limbo? ... by Jimmy Akin
Development and Negation III: limbo ... by Michael Liccione
Limbo ... by Alvin Kimel [a 5-part series; each part separately below]
Limbo: Doctrinal Development in Action ... by Alvin Kimel
Consigning Limbo to Oblivion ... by Alvin Kimel
Keeping the kids in limbo ... by Alvin Kimel
The doubt that leads to limbo ... by Alvin Kimel
The emptiness of limbo ... by Alvin Kimel
Evangelium Vitae ... HH Pope John Paul II



Partial birth abortion

I'm not going to join the abortion debate much ... it's just a sick practice.

A few quotes from "Gambling with abortion", a well-rounded look at the issue:

"And when you begin the evacuation, is the fetus ever alive?"
"Yes," Paul said.
"How do you know that?" Gartner asked.
"Because I do many of my procedures, especially at sixteen weeks, under ultrasound guidance, so I will see a heartbeat," Paul said.

There was the argument that the fetus is always dead by the time the doctor begins extracting, its demise ensured either by the preparatory steps or by the anesthesia administered to the woman—not only wrong, as it turned out, but a tidy segue into a congressional hearing called "Effects of Anesthesia During a Partial-Birth Abortion," in which one of the witnesses was a nurse who testified that she had watched Haskell put scissors into the head of a twenty-six-week Down syndrome fetus while "the baby's little fingers were clasping and unclasping, and his feet were kicking."

The following comment gives a good analogy, though:

If a woman feels she must have an abortion I would truly hope it would be carried out in the most humane and kind way. A vet would never put a beloved pet down in such a way. Why is it okay to treat an unborn baby in such a barbaric fashion?

Women treat their dogs better than their own unwanted litters.


God's holy days

First posted here.

God's Holy Days is a video by Brother Bob Fishman, an ex-Jew who highlights the significance of the Jewish holy days for modern Christians.

The Jewish Roots of Catholicism is another video by the same guy.

He's a convert to the Church from Judaism. I hear it's well worth watching, from Catholics who were once Armstrongites of sorts, who are pleased to see that such public appreciation for our Jewish heritage does not only exist within the walls of the WCG et al.


South Africa's ruined human rights reputation

South Africa's brief debut this year on the U.N. Security Council has tattered its reputation. It has prompted human rights activists to condemn South African President Thabo Mbeki for abandoning the human rights principles that defined the anti-apartheid movement and for routinely siding with some of the world's worst human rights abusers.

Source:
South Africa's U.N. Votes Disappoint Some
Washington Post, Monday, April 16, 2007


Happy Birthday Pope Benedict!

Today is the Holy Father's 80th birthday.  He was born on April 16, 1927, on Holy Saturday.

And on Thursday he will have been pope for 2 years.

Happy Birthday Pope Benedict XVI!!!


Abortion ends 50% of SA pregnancies

Fifty percent of all pregnancies in South Africa end up in abortion and more than 500 000 women have had the procedure done since the introduction of the Choice on Termination of Pregnancy (TOP) Act in 1997.

These statistics were recently released at a symposium organised by Ipas, an international NGO trying to prevent unsafe abortions around the world. Ipas has voiced concern over increases in the number of women opting for abortion, saying it showed that South Africa's health authorities were failing young women for not according contraception practices sufficient resources.

That is what greeted me in my mailbox when I got home.

It's from the Medigram, Volume 15, Number 6, April 13, 2007, sent out by The South African Medical Association.

What a way to start a weekend.  It's too sick to comment on further.  Can't we kill puppies instead?  Or poison kittens?


Gmail Paper

The Vatican is moving forward fast with technology - the pope with his ipod, nuns with e-mail.

But they might want to take advantage of Gmail Paper.  A novel concept that will allow them to get their Gmail e-mail sent to them in printed form.  The only drawback is that the pope can't print out what he listens to on his ipod - Gmail Paper says they can't print MP3 and WAV files.


Jesus died on 14 Nisan

According to John, Christ died on the cross at the exact moment when in the temples nearby, the lambs were being slaughtered for the Pascal feast. His death coincides with the sacrifice of the lambs. That however means that he died on the eve of Passover ... Most of the exegetes were of the opinion that John did not want to give us the exact, historic date of Christ’s death, but had instead chose a symbolic date to highlight the one  profound truth: Jesus is the true Lamb of God who shed his blood for us.
- HH Pope Benedict XVI, sermon, 5 April 2007, Holy Thursday

Sources - Asia News; Annunciations; Whispers in the Loggia [full sermon text]; Young Fogeys

Fr Jay Toborowsky comments on his Young Fogeys blog:

But something else in that Holy Thursday homily knocked me out, which I heard for the first time ever. There's always been a battle over whether the Last Supper took place on Passover night or the day before. ... Scholars tell us that, since Passover was always on a fixed date, there were times when it fell on the Sabbath, and then came the dilemma of which of God's mandated feasts do you keep (since one involves heavy work and one requires no work be done)? So in his homily, B16 tells of scholarly research that says that the people of Qumran (where the Dead Sea scrolls were found) would, in the case of the Passover and Sabbath collision, have their seders the day before, with all the froo-froo, but intentionally without a passover lamb. The implications of Jesus and the 12 apostles having such a seder are interesting. With no lamb on the their table, Jesus himself is the Lamb at that seder (adding a whole new profound depth to his command to eat his body and drink his blood).

I've been waiting years to hear this most logical 14 Nisan crucifixion timing from a Catholic priest.  And now I hear it from the pope himself.  I always get given the 15 Nisan story.  The explanation above goes a long way to explain why the Wednesday crucifixion theory of Herbert Armstrong is wrong, so ironically it was Herbert Armstrong who was adamant that Jesus died on 14 Nisan.

That is the obvious time for Jesus to have died.  After all, Jesus death wasn't timed to coincide with the killing of the lambs, nor was it meant to be approximate; the Passover lamb sacrifice foreshadowed Jesus' death, and its original timing was designed to coincide with Jesus' death.


Bathing on Good Friday

Good Friday no reason to avoid bath, Catholic church tells Filipinos

Hmmm.


South African bishops call for action on Zimbabwe

Johannesburg, Apr. 4, 2007 (CWNews.com) - The Catholic bishops of Southern Africa have issued a statement condemning human-rights abuses in Zimbabwe, echoing the stand of the bishops in that country.

"An elite of their own people is oppressing them and denying them the most basic human rights" was included in their statement.

The statement mentions the corruption of the Mugabe government, and the violation of human rights in Zimbabwe.

The bishops ask for prayers on behalf of the people of Zimbabwe.


More anti-Catholic billboards

Adventism seems to like sticking up anti-Catholic billboards.  This time it was an Adventist spin-off denomination, Eternal Gospel Church.  This was around the beginning of February, and commented on at Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam.

Interestingly, the sign people, CBS Outdoors, refused to let Catholics pay for a sign simply stating the truth - "CBS sponsors Anti-Catholicism."

Other photos available on the Catholic League site.

Articles:
CBS Stifles Free Speech; Promotes Anti-Catholicism
CBS Pulls Anti-Catholic Billboards

CBS Outdoors apologised for the offensive signs, and removed them.

CBS Outdoor made the right decision today to remove the bigoted statements attacking the pope and the Catholic Church as the Antichrist. - Catholic League president Bill Donohue.

Interestingly, on their website, they list as an upcoming speaker Jan Marcussen, someone I had contact with some years ago.  His newsletter was one of the most rabid I've ever come across, grossly misrepresenting anything not in agreement with them.  I wrote them a letter, and it made it into the newsletter - completely distorted, made to say things I never wrote.  This was one of the first contacts I had with Adventism.  It looks like nothing has changed, at least as far as this group goes.  Probably why mainstream Adventism wants nothing to do with them.


Should Adventists celebrate the Resurrection with the rest of Christianity?

In his latest Endtime Issues newsletter - number 169 - Samuele Bacchiocchi repeats several myths about Easter.

Bacchiocchi's research fails to take into account the following:

- Easter is an English word, and the observance of Easter predated the times when English and pre-English were important enough to influence the Christian faith.  Had he taken this into account, he wouldn't claim that Easter's origins are linked to Eostre etc.  In fact the earliest evidence for such a linguistic link is unreliable, and comes centuries after the practice actually began.  At best his issue can be with the English word, not the practice itself.

- Easter and its observance began outside of any culture that was influenced by the paganism he suggests it came from.  Had he taken this into account, he wouldn't claim that Easter's origins are linked to Eostre etc.

- There were two logical choices in the early Church - celebrate Jesus' death and resurrection according to the Jewish Passover dates, or celebrate them according to the week days on which they occurred.  Since those are quite obvious possibilities from the calendar, why go to extremes to link it to paganism?  The arguments used by those debating the two possibilities are biblical, not pagan.

- Like Easter, Lent originated with Christian piety, following the biblical events that count to 40.  40 years in the desert prior to the entry into the promised land.  40 days in the desert before Jesus started his ministry.  The history of Lent and how it developed into the form it has today - multiple forms, in fact - is well known, and has nothing to do with paganism.

- Lent developed in a culture where the specific pagan influence he blames it on was highly unlikely, and if it was present, highly unlikely to be incorporated into the Christian faith.  Not only that, but honest research into the "lents" of pagan culture show that they were often not 40 days long, and often at different times of the year.  That doesn't help his case much.

Why does Bacchiocchi need to ascribe Easter and Lent to paganism, when the most obvious source is biblical piety being applied to their calendar by Christians?

He needs to attribute Catholic practice to paganism.  He needs to establish his sabbath.  He needs to find fault with Catholicism in order to promote his Adventism.

Were he to put his mind to it, he could just as easily claim that the divinity of Christ was a Catholic teaching that originated with the same paganism he links to Easter.  In fact, many Christian minorities do just that.  The same for baptism, communion of ANY sort, etc.  Why go along with one half of the theory?  Is it a bias, applying his logic only to teachings and practices he opposes, but ignoring its application to his own teachings and practices?

This is a flaw in many theological systems.  Attribute what you don't like to paganism, and a) ignore the logical implications for your own beliefs, and b) ignore the evidence that paganism had nothing to do with what you don't like.

The latest Adventist Review issue online, Angel Rodriguez, director of the Biblical Research Institute based at the General Conference, has some very insightful comments to make on the Easter debate.

To ask where and when practices originated is only partially valid, for most of our practices in everyday life have antecedents in the ancient world, often from nonbelievers. Over the centuries meanings change.

And also:

We do no longer abide by the cultic Levitical regulations. ... It could probably be argued that during the apostolic period some Christians may have observed the festivals but there is no biblical evidence to support the conclusion that this was a Christian requirement for membership in the church.

(A side note: the cultic Levitical regulations include the Sabbath and diet laws.  Rodriguez refers to Hebrews 7, but forgets that Hebrews shows a change in the law as well as a change in the entire covenant - the Sabbath commandment forming part of the wording of the Old Covenant itself.)

In an article objecting to Easter by George Reid:

For the Roman Catholic branch it was largely settled at the Council of Nicaea (AD 325) with a rather artificial formula still followed to this day, which cannot possibly be commemoration of the actual resurrection.

Why not?  Jesus rose on the Sunday after Passover.  So the Sunday after Passover is surely a quite appropriate date.  As for the artificial formula, it's no more artificial than the formulas used in the Jewish calendar, on which the formula is based.  It just doesn't use the Jewish calendar directly, because changes were made and the Christians didn't see fit to follow post-Christian Jewish alterations to the calendar.

The point is that the early Christians gave no attention to commemorating the resurrection day of Christ. If they had been serious they would be observing the 17th day of the Jewish month, Nisan, which begins with the first new moon following the spring solstice.

Huh?  Yes, that's ONE way of interpreting the timing.  If we want to be controlled by the Jewish calendar, and if we do not see the biblical significance in the 8th day, the step beyond the 7 into the 8, the

Adventism doesn't like those concepts, so it chooses not to see them in the Bible.

And the early Christians?  Hmmm ... the disciples of the Apostle John would disagree.  The secret here is to define "early" to predate the earliest evidence.  And it's unlikely that, considering what John's students did, the Apostles and their other contemporaries saw such importance in the resurrection, but failed to make the association with Passover each year.

Under such circumstances Easter and its surrounding events can lend themselves to evangelistic outreach without, however, assigning any special religious meaning to the day itself.

Take advantage Easter, but don't associate it with the resurrection of Christ?  Use Easter for evangelisation purposes ... but don't assign any religious meaning to the day??  Is it too Catholic?  This is just a case of artificial exclusiveness.  A bit too reactionary still.

For this reason Seventh-day Adventists have never given the attention to Easter that other churches do. Our interest is to return to the practices and faith of the early Christian church.

Which is why celebrating the resurrection is so important for sharing our common faith.  Not because it's a date about which we can't differ, but because it's a date on which we should be united as brothers and sisters in Christ.

Anyway, the decision to have Easter when it is, is not a doctrinal position of the Catholic Church.  The day is only important because of the event we use it to celebrate.  Those who turn the timing of that celebration into a doctrinal issue to divide Christians ... in the words of Ebenezer Scrooge, "Bah, humbug" to them.

The Adventist Review articles cited are:
Should Christians Observe Israelite Festivals? [Angel Rodriguez]
Passover: An Adventist Perspective [Angel Rodriguez]
A Note About Easter [George Reid]

I applaud the Adventists, and others, who have seen the significance of Easter and Lent, and choose to celebrate Christ's resurrection as the early Christians did, and set time aside in their calendar for preparation for that celebration, along with the rest of their brothers and sisters in Christ, throughout the centuries.


The origins of Lent

What are the origins of Lent?  Did the Church always have this time before Easter?

Fr William Saunders tells us.


Why doesn't my church observe Lent?

You can find the answer here, and find out about how Lent is returning to Christian worship.


When does Lent end?

Some Catholics say that the last day of Lent is the Wednesday before Holy/Maundy Thursday, but say that it starts on the first Sunday of Lent, and not on Ash Wednesday.  This allows for Lent to contain 40 days, including Sundays; but it results in a peculiar calendar.  There is a comment by a priest, presumably Catholic, on Jimmy Akin's blog stating this.

Ash Wednesday, as well as the Thursday, Friday and Saturday (most of it anyway) after it are NOT part of Lent. The Penitential practices begin on Ash Wednesday but the days from Ash Wednesday to the first Sunday OF LENT are preparatory days. ... If you look in the breviary (liturgy of the hours) as well as the missal you'll see that the days from Ash Wednesday to the First Sunday of Lent (called OF LENT because the Sundays DO COUNT) are not referred to as being part of Lent.

Jimmy Akin's blog itself says that it ends on Holy Thursday, which begins the Easter Triduum - Holy/Maundy Thursday, Good Friday, Holy Saturday.  This results in Lent having 44 days, including the Sundays.  If the supporters of this leave off Sundays, Lent is only 38 days long.

Akin points out that the General Norms for the Liturgical Year and the Calendar state the following:

Lent runs from Ash Wednesday until the Mass of the Lord's Supper exclusive. [point #28]

This is a document issued by the Vatican's Sacred Congretation of Rites in 1969.

Exclusive means Lent ends before the Mass of the Lord's Supper, i.e. on the Thursday.  So Lent would be 43 and a bit days.

Sundays?  Since the wording of the text in no way indicates that Sundays are excluded from Lent, we should assume it means they are included.

On the same page on Akin's blog another Catholic priest says:

The fasting that began on Ash Wednesday is continued on Holy Thursday (as day 238 of FASTING), on Good Friday (day 39 of FASTING) and on Holy Saturday (day 40 of FASTING). ... Ash Wednesday is day 1 of the forty days of FASTING, and Holy Saturday is day 40 of the forty days of FASTING. The Sundays are excluded from FASTING. That is how we end up with forty days of FASTING between and including Ash Wednesday and Holy Saturday.

In support of not fasting on Sundays, he says the following:

Both the "Didache" (A.D. 90) and the "Apostolic Constitutions" (A.D. 400): "he will be guilty of sin who fasts on the Lord's Day."

Saint Augustine describes the joy of the weekly Easter: "Fasting, is set aside ... on every Sunday". (Ep. 55, 28: CSEL 342, 202)

An item written previously by Akin states:

Lent is the forty day period before Easter, excluding Sundays, which begins on Ash Wednesday and ends on Holy Saturday (the day before Easter Sunday). [This traditional ennumeration does not precisely coincide with the calendar according to the liturgical reform. In order to give special prominence to the Sacred Triduum (Mass of the Lord's Supper, Good Friday, Easter Vigil) the current calendar counts Lent as only from Ash Wednesday to Holy Thursday, up to the Mass of the Lord's Supper. Even so, Lenten practices are properly maintained up to the Easter Vigil, excluding Sundays, as before.]

So traditionally, the 40 days of Lent are Ash Wednesday to Holy Saturday, inclusive of both, and exclude Sundays.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraph 540, says:

By the solemn forty days of Lent the Church unites herself each year to the mystery of Jesus in the desert.

So is it 40 days or not?

The Circular Letter Concerning the Preparation and Celebration of the Easter Feasts, from the Sacred Congregation for Divine Worship in 1988, states:

The first Sunday of Lent marks the beginning of the annual lenten observance.

The Catholic Encyclopedia [Lent] explains this idea:

At a later date the wish to realize the exact number of forty days led to the practice of beginning Lent upon our present Ash Wednesday, but the Church of Milan, even to this day, adheres to the more primitive arrangement, which still betrays itself in the Roman Missal when the priest in the Secret of the Mass on the first Sunday of Lent speaks of "sacrificium quadragesimalis initii", the sacrifice of the opening of Lent.

And the statement "Lent runs from Ash Wednesday until the Mass of the Lord's Supper exclusive" makes it clear that Lent starts on Ash Wednesday.

The Directory On Popular Piety And The Liturgy, from the Congregation For Divine Worship And The Discipline Of The Sacraments, 2001, says:

The journey of Lent ends with the Easter Triduum [point 127]

I'm not sure if that is inclusive or exclusive.

This last link, Forty Days & Forty Nights, is designed to make the problem worse.
http://catholic-resources.org/Lectionary/40-Days-Nights.htm

Going with the Holy Saturday end to Lent are the following sites:

In the primitive Church Holy Saturday was known as Great, or Grand, Saturday, Holy Saturday, the Angelic Night, the Vigil of Easter, etc. It is no longer, like Maundy Thursday, a day of joy, but one of joy and sadness intermingled; it is the close of the season of Lent and penance, and the beginning of paschal time, which is one of rejoicing.
The service of Holy Saturday has lost much of the significance and importance which it enjoyed in the early Christian centuries owing to the irresistible tendency manifested throughout the ages to advance the hour of its celebration. Originally it was the great Easter vigil, or watch-service, held only in the late hours of the Saturday and barely terminating before midnight. To this day the brevity of both the Easter Mass and the Easter Matins preserves a memorial of the fatigue of that night watch which terminated the austerities of Lent.
Ken Collins' "The Season of Lent"
Dennis Bratcher's "The Season of Lent"
Ash Wednesday, Lent, and Easter
History of Lent
Sundays are not Fast-Days
The Anglican Catholic Church [not in communion with Rome, but hopefully someday we can be united in our timing of Lent, if we are not currently]

Going with the Holy Thursday end to Lent are the following sites:

"THE 40 DAYS OF LENT" has always been more of a metaphor than a literal count. Over the course of history the season of preparation for Easter Sunday has ranged from one day (in the first century) to 44 (today in the Roman church). Officially since 1970, Lent begins on Ash Wednesday and ends at sunset on Holy Thursday.

Going with the "Sundays are part of Lent" idea is the Catholic Encyclopedia [Lent]
But, what more particularly regards Lent, successive indults have been granted by the Holy See allowing meat at the principal meal, first on Sundays, and then on two, three, four, and five weekdays, throughout nearly the whole of Lent.

We know the following:
  • Lent starts on Ash Wednesday, and includes the days between Ash Wednesday and the Sunday following Ash Wednesday
  • Lent didn't always start on Ash Wednesday
  • The Church of Milan still excludes Sundays from Lent, and starts Lent on a Sunday, ending it on a Saturday.  Whether it's the Saturday before Easter Sunday, or the Saturday before Palm Sunday, I haven't worked out.  Their Lent is 36 days long, not 40
  • Eastern Lent includes Sundays and ends on the Friday before Palm Sunday, but considers the time between then and Easter to be a fast, just not a Lenten fast
  • Before Lent was structured as it is now, Sundays were sometimes excluded, and Saturdays were also sometimes excluded, and Lent could last as long as 8 weeks (8x5=40)
  • Lent has not always been 40 days long, although it has been symbolised by 40 days even when it was not a literal 40 days in length
  • Lent was 6 weeks long at one point in time, with only 3 of those weeks reserved for fasting
Jimmy Akin seems to have the best arguments, pointing out which documents are intended to be the authoritative ones, and so he's probably right.

If so:
  • Lent starts on Ash Wednesday
  • Lent ends on Holy Thursday before the Mass of the Lord's Supper
  • Lent includes Sundays
  • Lent is 43 and a bit days long
But it's really not that important.  The period from Ash Wednesday till Holy Saturday is a period of fasting and penance, and the timing is just custom, not written in stone.

As Akin says on yet another post on the issue:

Lent is not a matter of Church teaching. It is a matter of the Church's liturgical law. Therefore, no Church document "teaches" that Lent is forty days.

And he has a whole range of posts linked from one post entitled Annual Lent Fight.  That's what it is.  A fight about what's really going on.  Does even the Pope know?

Lent has changed in the past, it can change again.  It's not dogma.  It's just a practice.  When I become Pope I'll have to change things to my preferred Lenten calendrics.  Until then, we'll be confused.


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