Bacchiocchi - images of his diploma and medal

October 31, 2006, 10:27 pm
Posted by stephen in General
Samuele Bacchiocchi has said that he will be posting scanned images of his certificates on his website as part of a statement against the allegations made by Gregorian University regarding his credentials and claims about his PhD and his dissertation.

We all hope to see that statement soon, but while we wait, here are a few scanned images he sent me a while back.

This is his certificate for his Doctoratus:


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As you can see, it says Magna cum laude on it, underlined.  And it has his name, and the name Pontificia Universitas Gregoriana.

Who underlined the words magna cum laude?

As he states elsewhere, his certificate is not a standard Gregorian University certificate, but was handwritten specially for him because he didn't want one saying he agreed with the Catholic faith.

Today I plan to begin the process by going to Andrews University Architecture Department to scan my three diplomas, which are too big for my scanner. Their scanner scans up to 24 x 36'. I have on hand three magnificent diplomas, all in parchement, decorated and written by skilled Vatican scribes. They were hand-written for me because I refused to accept the standard diplomas which say that the student has subscribed to the Catholic profession of faith.

Hopefully we'll see more detail soon.  What he sent me was not a high quality scan.

The problem with this certificate for his Doctoratus:

This certificate can be shown online, and nobody can verify it.  If it's for real, he shot himself in the foot by having a non-standard certificate issued to him.    Now only a real expert on certificates who examines the original in person can verify that it is indeed an authentic certificate from Gregorian University signed by Gregorian University staff.

Until then, showing the scan of his certificates will remain only his word against that of Gregorian University.

These are images he sent of his gold medal:


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It certainly looks gold, and it has the name of Pope Paul VI on the one side.  On the other side it has an image of a tortoise biting the top of a pile of sheep.  Pope Paul VI was seen as serious - maybe that was his sense of humour, or maybe it means something else - that isn't relevant to this discussion.

The problem with his gold medal:

Anyone could scan in such a medal if they got hold of one.  It doesn't have his name on it, and there is nothing to prove that he got it.  Maybe he'll provide indisputable proof in his statement.  Otherwise, with Gregorian saying he didn't get it, it's his word against the word of Gregorian University.

These are serious questions, amongst others, that still remain.  Scanned images posted online don't prove the authenticity of an item, when the University issuing it says it was never issued.  Maybe in his statement Bacchiocchi will provide more conclusive evidence than his own account of the events and unauthenticated images that the viewer cannot verify.  Maybe Gregorian will provide further statements, either with further specifics and evidence to support their statements to the USCCB and Bishop Murray, or with corrections, or a withdrawal of that statement, or provide a withdrawal of that statement in support of Bacchiocchi's claims.  Either way, that is what is needed to conclude this controversy.
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Posted by   www
on November 1, 2006, 2:48 am
I don't know if you were trying to be funny or if you seriously thought that was a tortoise and a pile of sheep. It's clearly a crowd of sheep making their way into some kind of fold in the distance.

I don't even know who this Samuel guy is, but I'm more inclined to take his side based solely on your apparent tortoise fixation.

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Posted by stephen  
on November 1, 2006, 7:07 am
I took another look ... it still looks like a tortoise. I hope it doesn't symbolise the speed at which Gregorian will respond to this issue.

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Posted by stephen  
on November 1, 2006, 1:15 pm
I still cannot see the sheepfold, but I asked someone here at work, and they could see the sheepfold, and couldn't see the tortoise.

I'm not sure whose side the tortoise will take.

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Posted by  
on November 1, 2006, 4:48 am
I dunno, Duff, that really looks more like a tortoise than a sheepfold. On the other hand, what does a sheepfold look like, and would it bite the top of a sheep pyramid?

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Posted by Hans  
on November 1, 2006, 9:15 am
Duff, read the last sentence of your reply posted on November 1, 2006, 2:48 am. Then read it again and again and again until you too can see how foolish and immature it is!

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Posted by   www
on November 1, 2006, 3:40 pm
No less foolish than suggesting that it cannot possibly be authentic because Pope Paul was far too serious to put tortoises on the back of his medals.

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Posted by stephen  
on November 1, 2006, 3:57 pm
I have no doubt that is an authentic papal coin. I never meant to suggest that it was not a real one because of the tortoise. My words "that isn't relevant to this discussion" were meant to indicate that the strange imagery, and my comment on it, was not relevant to the issue of Bacchiocchi getting the coin.

I still think it looks like a tortoise.

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Posted by   www
on November 2, 2006, 3:14 am
That's alright, then. I guess that's the trouble with the conveyance of tone. When I read it, I imagined you were being a little too snide for my liking.

Though I would never have picked it without your pointing it out, I must admit there is definitely a tortoise there - albeit a very polygonal one.

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Posted by  
on September 11, 2007, 6:23 pm
Although the images look authentic it can always be a case that these displayed images are <a href="http://www.nd-center.com/">fake diplomas</a>, someone needs to authenticate these images so that the issue can be put to rest.

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